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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:15:14 -0700
From: Jiri Mruzek
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,
Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks

   Quit While You Are Ahead
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Kevin D. Quitt wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:53:49 -0700, Jiri Mruzek wrote:

> >It's harder to stand up a single ten-ton wheel.

> Let's try again. I know you don't really try to understand anything that
> appears to disagree with you, but I'll give it a shot.

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Only an amoebe could not understand your diagram. Only, I still try
to visualise your method being applied to the 1,200-ton Baalbek block
Hadjar el Gouble, as you said it could have been. One thing is for sure.
You couldn't possibly find a solid log thicker than this block, hence to
form the wheel, you would have to strap wooden pads on somehow, and hope
that your materials will take the stress at the joints.
Each pad would be stressed by the crushing weight of at least 600 tons.
I see the wheels shattering after the first roll.
There are absolutely no indications that such methods were ever used
in building of any pyramids.
Another problem would be the difficulty of using such wheels for 70-ton
blocks, or even 20 ton blocks on ramps around the Pyramid.
Imagine rolling a 10-yard wide axle uphill on the postulated 4-meter wide
ramp. I don't even bother to imitate your discussion methods and call
this aberrant idea stupid, as deserving.

> That's am exploded view. The thing in the middle is the stone block. The
> things on the ends are wheels. You're looking at this from above. The
> wheels fit over the ends of the block. The wheel now moves quite easily
> (compared to sliding it or moving it on rollers). OK?

Right, as above. BTW, what is making the wheels roll? If you pull it
by the middle on ropes - you wind up dragging the whole thing. The
wheels won't turn. It will be like dragging a log. So, you have to spool
the rope around the square cylinder, and that means threading it between
the ground and the 1,200-ton block! You have to dig large holes underneath
the stone. The idea is getting more ridiculous by the minute.
I can almost predict your next idea. Your wooden additions would now make
the whole assembly look like a Canadian football, with spools going to
the narrowing ends.
There is always a danger that such giizmos will roll back down the Pyramid's
ramp, now forced to be about 11 yards wide, and therefore much steeper than
sensible for moving heavy burdens.

> No balance problems,  no problems making a non-existent ten-ton wheel
> stand up. In case you're still having problems visualizing this, go to the back
> of your car and look at your real axle.

Ha, ha, ha. ROTFLMFO!


> >Huh? Pardon me? You were talking about a single wheel, or cylinder.

> No, I never was. I guess you just weren't paying attention.

Like hell you weren't. Besides, other people were using a single
wheel, or cylinder idea here long before you for the shorter blocks.

> >How wide are you becoming,

> The width of the block

Your axle is wider than the ramp.

> > and does this width not
> >place voluminous demands on the accesss-ramps? Sure, it does.

> Not really.

Brilliant. That'll convince them.

> >In smiling with amusement - even if you can push or pull or roll
> >large weights on straight low friction surfaces, when you try to
> >solve the problem of How and with What knowledge the pyramid was
> >constructed - you run into insurmountable problems with your methods
> >in no time flat.

> I don't have any problems at all. It's simple to do,

Greater minds have those problems. Obviously, you don't
belong in that category.

The small talk below may be skipped - Next

> especially with
> several thousand people working at it. I've seen twenty people put up a
> house in 24 hours. What's so hard for thousands of people working over
> quite a few years?

We always talk about that one here. Why don't you listen to what you are
being told?

> I fear the only difficulties are your lack of
> imagination and unwillingness to understand what's been told to you.

If you were able of appreciating the full spectrum of the long-ongoing
discussion on How The Pyramids Were Built, you would discuss more than
just your one problem. Such lack of awareness must be quite limiting.

> >> If one man can lift 50 pounds, then 1000 men can lift
> >> 25 tons. (The problem is finding a way for them all to be able to work
> >> at the same time.)

> >Really? I thought I have been saying that all along..

> No, you just keep saying it can't be done. But there *is* a simple way
> around the problem: it's called organization.

I imagine this would come under the heading of "Organization of Miracles".

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