Fido-UFO / Date: 22 Sep 95 10:05:06
To: Michael Danehy.
Date: 23 Sep 1995 10:04:50 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <email@example.com>
JM_ If all the world's
skeptics were tied to the biggest Baalbek stone -
JM_ that would keep them stuck there forever, since they coudn't budge it.
What did we just see on TV? This latest in fictional
series a la
"How the Egyptians did it" - had fifteen-thousand pyramidiots' working
for two months - and what did they construct?
A little, ill-fit rock pile - smaller than the piece missing from the top of
the Great Pyramid!
Let me utter a couple more words on this..What We See Is Not What
We're Being Told To See. This blatant propaganda flick came complete
with a lot of grandiose, but well tattered phrases, and a big musical
"TRA-DAH" at every opportunity. Despite the hoopla, this film serves
the opposite effect on a perspicacious observer. - It shows, how it definitely
could not be done! There were so many things wrong with the show,
I don't know, where to start telling you.
* Quit while you're ahead.
I noted that the experiment was abandoned just
when it had reached
the point of rapidly diminishing return on efforts. If the pyramid were
half the size, only two thousand people would have to work on it for the
same period of time, however, you could easily spit over it like over a
big dump of chicken droppings. To place blocks even higher, the base
would have to be widened, and there would have to be increases in the
already very long ramp, which always requires more material than the
steeper structure, to which it leads.
I did a few calculations. The pyramid built by these debunkers was less
than 30 feet tall - the height of the missing piece from the top of the Great
Pyramid - as the film said that the DP (debunker pyramid) was smaller
than that missing piece.
Thirty feet - is just five inches over nine meters. So let's say that the
debunker pyramid was nine meters tall... * When the pyramid's height
doubles, while retaining shape, its area quadruples, but the volume
increases eight-fold. The same factor of eight applies to the ramp.
I hope that it's clear, how, in order to double the pyramid's height
to 18 meters, the construction would take At Least 16 months.
Getting to 36 meters would take 128 months, i.e., nearly 11 years.
To 72 meters - 85 years and four months. To 144 meters - 2,5 meters
short of the GP - 683 years. However, increase the workforce to the density
of a beehive - and 150,000 workers could be done in a mere 68.3 years
of no hollidays.
So, 500,000 workers ( Hello, Woodstock , we were
"rocking" at the GP
for twenty years.. ) could do it in the target interval of 20 years, placing
115,000 building blocks a year - 26 blocks each hour of a 12 hour working
day - one block every 2 minutes and 12 seconds!
ROTFLMFO. ! ?
Next, they'd still have to expand the base
of the pyramid downwards by
eight feet. That's just two more courses. But those first two courses of the
pyramid contain about 100,000 blocks!.
So the pyramidoits would need another year, or else they could compensate
by adding about 33,000 workers for the 20 years. Of course, our history
tells us that only a few million people were alive in the primitive world back
than. Human lifespan was much shorter... It seems that our historians
speak in quacky contradictions.
All the big slabs were quarried across the Nile,
at Mokottam - about twenty
miles away, and at Turah, and Maura quarries at Memphis ..
That's a lot of big sailboats, we're talking about here, an armada of perhaps
two thousand ships. Speaking of ships, a huge fleet of sea-going sailing ships,
such as could conquer half the known world, if manned with warriors, had
to ferry the necessary timber ( cedar trunks) from Lebanon.
About a hundred of the 50-70 ton granite slabs had to be ferried from Aswan -
five-hundred miles up the then untamed river. We remember the forty-three
50-70 ton granite blocks, in five layers above the King's chamber, and as large,
but I guess, not quite as heavy limestone blocks just above them, which are thus
about seventy meters above Giza. _ Care to move just one of those up there? _
The hard granite - was used extensively. Granite surfaces were polished to
a high sheen. Yet, only diamond, or corrundum drills under pressure of about
two tons per square inch will bore into granite.
Still, there are even predynastic diorite vases
with narrowing neck, whose
flaring bowl is hollowed out to paper thinness. Care to duplicate this with
Lo-Tech? A good example of such quality diorite work is the finely inscribed
In other words, as we approach the quality standards of the ancient builders,
our task is getting ever harder, ever more time consuming.
* We saw that this debunker pyramid was simply
shoddy. Nothing fit.
No edges aligned with the neighbouring ones... The end experiment with
the sand holding up two transoms was a disaster.
As the sand ran out, the two slammed together - mis-aligned. You could
see the embarassment on the faces of all the present... Improvements in
quality would have been extremely dear timewise.
If the Great (savor that word) Pyramid were built
by the true pyramidiots -
whomever that term concerns -it would probably collapse half-way up.
However, the throng of half the million men at the start, would never last
that long, attritioning into an army of cripples. "We don't need a protracted
war - we have the Pyramid!" <Grim>
Indeed, at the film's rate of physical effort, a man's back couldn't last longer
than, oh, a couple of years. That's a lot of broom- sweepers for Egypt. And
with half a million, or more people working, in near proximity of each other,
if anybody caught a flue - everybody else got it, too.
You see, nobody cares to consider the rate of attrition of manpower, and
also of tools, ships, etc. The ramp theory presents so many difficulties
that - sorry - but:
'Crash goes the straight ramp 'theory'.
It involves TOO MUCH work. <Grin)
So some have proposed that a narrow (ten foot wide) ramp could spiral
around the pyramid:
It seems logical to me that such a winding ramp would be much less stable,
and bound to be accident- prone. If a casing stone toppled from the top,
imagine the swath of destruction it would leave in its 180 meter long wake...
Or, imagine turning a corner with one of the 50-70 ton blocks...
[ Oops, there it goes atumbling
again. - No offence, but, how do you make
a mummy out of meatjuice? ] (Grim)
Any breakdowns would halt all the transport work,
which would always
progress at the pace of the slowest crew. But even in several lanes of the
wider straight ramp, there would exist a perpetual snarling of traffic. *
Yet, anything aside from the ramp technology is considered sheer Pyramidiocy
by our archaeologists - who say that the Egyptians had no knowledge of any
building machines. I think that the Egyptologists had painted themselves
into a corner, and they're loath to get out of there. So you see that the
debunkers were hoist by their own petarde, once again, Michael.
BTW, I'd like to ask you, how did the Great Pyramid's
planners know that
Cheops will rule (live) as long as they had provided for the GP's construction?
What if he had died five years into the construction? And if the pyramids
were built as tombs according to you - then why was there no dead body
found inside of one? Let me tell you one thing. It was customary in Egypt
to decorate tombs. Therefore the starkly abstract, formally refined Great
Pyramid, with no decorations whatsoever found anywhere on the inside,
certainly makes no pretences at having once been a tomb. * In view of this
abstract purity, it becomes extremely unlikely that any such ungainly daubings,
as the alleged quarry marks found by col. Wyse above the King's chamber,
glaringly visible to all those nearby for a considerable period of time during
the construction - for weeks, if not months - would not be swiftly, and promptly
* ( IMHO, a hundred dollar note lost on a busy sidewalk could lay there longer.)
The crude marks, some upside
down - would
qualify as flagrant insult to the dead Pharaoh,
as they would marr the otherwise unbespoiled
structure directly above his face!
Under such circumstances,
these marks are unthinkable as the real thing (unless the Pyramid wasn't
meant to be a tomb !!!) - in contrast to some quarry marks, found on the
lower courses of the same pyramid, sufficiently far from the alleged burial
chamber not to constitute disrespect. Because the marks above the King's
chamber were the decisive factor in dating the GP, the question of that
pyramid's age is still ajar. * Sorry for the detour.
Back to the ramp, does not the fact that it would have to be removed after-
wards, add greatly to the total time needed for the Pyramid's completion?
( since the ramp had to contain more material than the pyramid itself.)
Sooner or later, we have
to express additional obstacles in terms of more
time - rather than more workers. We can't just keep on seeding workers
into a limited area - they are not angels, of whom millions could fit onto
the pyramidion's point. <BTW, do I have you reeling? Or, are you stuck on
the ropes?> <Grin>
IOW, manpower alone can't raise the pyramid anywhere
near the said
time limit. I know that you're not ready to acquiesce to notions of Hi-Tech.
Hence, your only option is to agree to the notion that the GP was never meant
to be a tomb, and thus could have been under construction for as long as
fifty to two-hundred years.
The fruition of the pyramid's plans could only be likely, if the pyramid's
function were to benefit the good of the Egyptian state ( church ), rather than
any ephemeral individual, by providing measure standards, etc..
As far, as I'm concerned, I have good reasons to believe that Hi-Tech was used.
JM> I have long proposed
that possibility here, in answer to my critics
JM> on Nasca. But, you're all my witnesses that these guys treated it
JM> like a powerful Taboo. Anyhow, they were all cowed by the subject...
JM> That was back when... So this is just to remind all the skeptics
JM> that no King-Chong has yet thrown it into the sea. (G)
JM> Move any of these giga-behemoths using Low-Tech, and you will have
JM> forever disspelled a thousand FTB dreeams.
JM> BUT IF YOU DON'T - then we shall feel compassion for your scholarly
MD> MD> If not Low-Tech
then ancient levitation technology. Why ASSume
Well, in this one instance, it seems that the
platform is best suited to supporting
something as heavy, as those two toitls' you mentioned. Aside from those, what
could weigh a zillion pounds and sit on the Baalbek Terrace. ??? OK, I'll tell you:
A spaceship, of course.
( A big mothership, would settle down, and insectoid
robots and adroit alienoids
would crawl out by the million to ravage the green Sahara ) - (Grin)
MD> Please, no more of this
"You can't prove me wrong so I am right!" business.
MD> We get enough of it from Jean.
Actually, you can't even start proving me wrong, so don't talk so much in
empty bubbles, or worse.Don't tell me I'm not right. I'm absolutely right, as
concerns the presence of scientific geometry within the ancient Science-Art.
That's good enough by me... If, you disagree - target the logical substance
of the gifs. Else, admit that these gifs are very to the point on some very
fundamental concepts of scientific geometry..
(new comment )
Compare the ancient mathematics discovered by me to those of Cydonia..
Impossible, right? Can't compare a Rolls Royce to a cart. Why is it so?
Because the Seal of Atlantis presents a system, whereas Cydonian inter-
pretations don't! But they do present a riddle. As soon, as someone gives
me a 3-D database, which I could model, I'll check it out for the same seal.
There are signs of it there, and the whole thing gets way more interesting
with the superimposition of the site-plan of ( Avesbury? ) against Cydonia.
I have just seen it on TV and I liked what I saw. It reminds me of my own
But, I am just amazed that the world listens to these, yet it won't hearken
to my news of ancient Sci-Art. Its authors do not deserve such snubbing,
even if I do..
Back to scientific geometry, such solid basis
justifies the whole later super-
structure of speculation, and hypotheses, which disgust you so much.
We have to search for a solution. Again, where is your curiosity?
OTOH, I am shattering some of your illusions.
Consider it a friendly service.
I just made cheese out of the GP-ramp 'theory'. Of course, I also recall that
the debunking of the ramp 'theory' has been reliably done before, by various
engineers. I only made quick calculations, but these won't be out much.
My ramp estimates are deliberately slanted in favor of the opposition..
JM> We'll just have to try
keep a straight face. <G>
JM> So much for just one of many unaswerable riddles, of which there
JM> are so many around. Every single one of those reeks of technology
JM> from the ancient astronauts - most likely the source of today's sightings.
MD> The only thing that "reeks" here is your arguments.
You said so, but sadly, you haven't proven it
to me. What you've proven is
that you like to make fun of naive believers, but you don't like yourself taken
lightly. Don't you like a good mystery?
JM> So, where does the spunky
arrogance come from in these skeptocrats?
JM> They have no scholarly backbone to stand and analyze...
MD> MD> Of course. They are stupid because they disagree with you.
Did I say that? I said truthfully that they have
no scholarly backbone
to stand and analyze... Besides, they don't disagree with me! They just
weekly demur... <Grin> To disagree with me is to point out mistakes in
my geometrical analysis of ancient images. The rest of it is just a chat.
A nice chat. You ignored my gifs. Why? Is it because they show something
you don't like?
Now, you're being sighentifickle. *Sigh, sigh.*
*** To wit, or to twit. That is a dilemma..
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